This Season - A Tale of Shooting (or Lack Thereof)

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Re: This Season - A Tale of Shooting (or Lack Thereof)

Post by catseye » Tue Feb 13, 2024 10:32 pm

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La Salle has nothing. Dumpster fire. They were 4-19 on 3s tonight. Clownishly bad. We, on the other hand, were.......4-19.
Yep. I had hoped playing a team that is not quite as aggressive on the perimeter defense might encourage better outside shooting. It did not.
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Re: This Season - A Tale of Shooting (or Lack Thereof)

Post by ScootCat » Tue Feb 13, 2024 11:38 pm

Why can’t our coaches figure out how to get a pure shooter like Bobby Durkin at least ten good open looks from three per game? I find it highly perplexing, and very frustrating. Double screens maybe?
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Re: This Season - A Tale of Shooting (or Lack Thereof)

Post by catseye » Wed Feb 14, 2024 2:34 pm

ScootCat wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2024 11:38 pm
Why can’t our coaches figure out how to get a pure shooter like Bobby Durkin at least ten good open looks from three per game? I find it highly perplexing, and very frustrating. Double screens maybe?
I also think we pass up a lot of open or mostly open 3 point attempts early in the shot clock. I don't know if that's a point of emphasis or just tentativeness. There are at least 5-8 times per game when I yell "shoot it!" at the screen as we pass around the top of the key from a wide open shooter to a more closely guarded one.
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Re: This Season - A Tale of Shooting (or Lack Thereof)

Post by JerseyLawyer » Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:40 pm

Our entire offense is designed to create open 3's. This team has at least three guys - Kochera, Brizzi, and Moss - with good shooters' form. They just don't make 'em. Weird

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Re: This Season - A Tale of Shooting (or Lack Thereof)

Post by ScootCat » Wed Feb 14, 2024 4:34 pm

Moss has seemed very tentative during his sparse appearances. I sure hope he improves dramatically next year, if he returns.
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Re: This Season - A Tale of Shooting (or Lack Thereof)

Post by i77cat » Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:02 pm

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Re: This Season - A Tale of Shooting (or Lack Thereof)

Post by WildCock » Thu Feb 15, 2024 12:33 am

It was said of our former coach: "McKillup recruits shooters and teaches them to be basketball players."
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Re: This Season - A Tale of Shooting (or Lack Thereof)

Post by i77cat » Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:07 am

Better yesterday and it jumped us forward 7 spots to #265.
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Re: This Season - A Tale of Shooting (or Lack Thereof)

Post by 85Wildcatsky » Sun Feb 18, 2024 7:34 pm

i77cat wrote:
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Better yesterday and it jumped us forward 7 spots to #265.
We have a small sample but maybe Ghedini is the shooter we need coming off the bench. He looked really comfortable with his stroke. 8-)

For the record, there were some historically horrible 3's we shot yesterday too. It seemed like there were 3 or 4 balls that were all glass and no rim. I'd almost rather see an airball.
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Re: This Season - A Tale of Shooting (or Lack Thereof)

Post by i77cat » Wed Feb 21, 2024 1:22 pm

32.27% after Fordham. 257th.
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Re: This Season - A Tale of Shooting (or Lack Thereof)

Post by seamac77 » Wed Feb 21, 2024 2:11 pm

Fordham made us look good.. They were chucking at a 22.2% clip, 6-27
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Re: This Season - A Tale of Shooting (or Lack Thereof)

Post by CatsRom » Wed Feb 21, 2024 4:27 pm

Feels like there was a concerted effort yesterday to play more inside out and not do what we don't do well (Shoot threes). Not sure if the numbers bear that out, but seemed like guys passing up looks we would've normally chucked earlier in the season and tried to get to the rim more.

The only person I don't like playing that way on this team is Durkin, he needs to get up 5+ 3PA a game no matter what.

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Re: This Season - A Tale of Shooting (or Lack Thereof)

Post by i77cat » Wed Feb 21, 2024 5:25 pm

We were just 1-5 in the first half. Got to the line a ton. Well, one player did.
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Re: This Season - A Tale of Shooting (or Lack Thereof)

Post by DC69Wildcat » Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:19 pm

CatsRom wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2024 4:27 pm
Feels like there was a concerted effort yesterday to play more inside out and not do what we don't do well (Shoot threes).
On the other hand, it was our barrage of threes (Kochera > Brizzi > Kochera > Bailey 1) in a span of 2 1/2 minutes that broke the game open in the 2nd half. We went from +1 (43-42) to +10 (55-45) with those 4 daggahs, and the Rams never got closer than 10 after that.
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Re: This Season - A Tale of Shooting (or Lack Thereof)

Post by catseye » Thu Feb 22, 2024 11:16 am

DC69Wildcat wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:19 pm
CatsRom wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2024 4:27 pm
Feels like there was a concerted effort yesterday to play more inside out and not do what we don't do well (Shoot threes).
On the other hand, it was our barrage of threes (Kochera > Brizzi > Kochera > Bailey 1) in a span of 2 1/2 minutes that broke the game open in the 2nd half. We went from +1 (43-42) to +10 (55-45) with those 4 daggahs, and the Rams never got closer than 10 after that.
This begs the classic question - Are we good shooters who just need to shoot through these numbers until we return to whatever our mean is or are we fair to mediocre shooters who occasionally string a few together.

My take is that the Davidson motion offense absolutely depends upon a credible 3-point threat or all cutting and passing lanes simply close up and we're stuck. When teams have to come out to take away the 3 AND our offense works as it is supposed to, all of the overplaying and switching and movement eventually leads to an easy cutting layup to the basket or good enough passing to find the open man for the 3. So I say keep firing away.

On another note, I think MOST of our shooters have really good form - I love Logan's shot, for instance, but it's been a while since he's canned one.
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